Player Character Conflict: Difference between revisions

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PvP = Player vs Player, conflict between player characters (PCs), often referencing to violence between PCs.

PvE = Player vs Environment, where the primary conflict is between PCs and Non-Player Characters (NPCs).

Death Unto Darkness is not a game driven by intra-character conflict. Our stories are about the servants of the Inquisition cooperating against the external threats that threaten to bring about humanity's extinction. Although the Inquisition often has competing objectives it’s not the intent of the game team to create situations where PvP conflict would be a norm we encourage via our writing.

However, the Game Team does not want an inorganic situation where intra-character violence is mechanically impossible. It is a grounding fact that conflict between characters can occur - for whatever reason. One of the core driving themes of Death Unto Darkness is that actions have consequences, and a character who is acting in a heretical fashion or against other players must face those consequences even if those are retribution from other player characters.

But just as there are consequences of a heretic actions, there are consequences for violence against your fellow agents and you answer to the Ordos Prosperitas ultimately, a character found to have killed or violently assaulted another is answerable to the Inquisition, and can face penalties up to and including execution or permanent incarceration - so it is best to have evidence to back up your actions.

Even without conflict being initiated by the actions of characters, Death Unto Darkness takes place in a world where the dark powers of Chaos can turn someone you thought was a friend into an enemy, or where sanity cracking can make a frothing murderer of the most kindhearted soul. There is a risk of any character being involved in violent PvP even if they are the most cooperative individual even if they are defending against it.

Reporting Crimes and Heresies

Sometimes you lack the ability to enforce your will when you notice wrongdoing - in such a circumstance where you believe that a character is up to no good you may pass on information to Inquisitorial Authorities (the Game Team) who will react appropriately to the news based on presented evidence. This may result in punishment during the downtime between events or some kind of uptime consequence if it is thematically appropriate to the event to have an immediate Inquisitorial response. Violence against Abhumans, Psykers and Inhuman Characters The Imperium is a vile prejudiced place and even amongst the highest ranks of the Servants of the Inquisition those prejudices remain strong - although it is already noted on the pages associated with them - playing characters like this is embracing the clear and present danger of being treated constantly, often without justification, as a risk to a mission by other characters.

The most obvious example of this is that most NPCs will turn a blind eye if a character shot a Psyker because it began to experience strange warp effects because that is the accepted protocol for dealing with Psykers.

To this end we’ll caution here again that you should be -certain- when playing a character like this that you are willing to accept this kind of treatment up to and including your death being justified by what you were, rather than any actual crime.

OOC Welfare of Players

While we are choosing to make the risks of PvP violence very clear above we appreciate that there can be emotional reactions to having your character violently harmed by another player - we encourage players, where violence is not spontaneous, to try and have a ref or game team member present to ensure the welfare of the defeated party - and we are called on as soon as you can if it is spontaneous, if there is any welfare concern.

Where you want to take another character captive rather than killing them, please involve the Game Team to arbitrate a satisfying resolution for all players - being held in a room all weekend is not everyone’s cup of tea - and the game team can at least give a way for a captive character to exit so the player can choose to use a stand-in character or be able to adapt to accommodate that situation and ensure the player’s enjoyment of the event is at least better than their characters.

When role playing violent conflict between player characters, please be mindful of the OC experience of others. A character who constantly threatens other characters to win an argument would not be promoted to the level of the characters in this game, who are expected to be capable of functioning at a higher and more independent level than the usual Imperial first-reflex of violence. This is an IC gloss on an OC request to make sure physically smaller, quieter and less aggressive players are not forced out of some game areas by volume or physical intimidation.

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+'''PvP''' = Player vs Player, conflict between player characters (PCs), often referencing to violence between PCs.
-'''PvP''' = Player vs Player, conflict between player characters (PCs), often referencing to violence between PCs.
 '''PvE''' = Player vs Environment, where the primary conflict is between PCs and Non-Player Characters (NPCs).
-Death Unto Darkness is a primarily PvE game, not a PvP game, and it aims to represent the struggles of the beleaguered servants of the Imperium against an ever-multiplying number of threats within and without. PvP can occur as a part of the game but we will never, as the game team, attempt to force it - it isn’t a focus of our writing, if it occurs it happens organically.
+Death Unto Darkness is not a game driven by intra-character conflict. Our stories are about the servants of the Inquisition cooperating against the external threats that threaten to bring about humanity's extinction. Although the Inquisition often has competing objectives it’s not the intent of the game team to create situations where PvP conflict would be a norm we encourage via our writing.
-To this end, we will never force a PC to take upon them a patron who would place them at odds with the Inquisition and the overall objectives of the player party - patrons such as this will be granted only after discussion. New character concepts that are outright hostile to the Imperium and Inquisition are very likely to be rejected unless the Game Team are significantly confident they will benefit the game,
+However, the Game Team does not want an inorganic situation where intra-character violence is mechanically impossible. It is a grounding fact that conflict between characters can occur - for whatever reason. One of the core driving themes of Death Unto Darkness is that actions have consequences, and a character who is acting in a heretical fashion or against other players must face those consequences even if those are retribution from other player characters.
-Death Unto Darkness is about Inquisitorial Agents - in other words, the PCs - working together against an encroaching threat. Because of this Inter-Player Cooperation is heavily encouraged by ingame factors that place the players working together under the direction of a recently-united Inquisitorial Conclave, now purged of heretical elements, who are joining efforts to desperately prevent the loss of the Prosperitas Sector to dark forces.
+But just as there are consequences of a heretic actions, there are consequences for violence against your fellow agents and you answer to the Ordos Prosperitas ultimately, a character found to have killed or violently assaulted another is answerable to the Inquisition, and can face penalties up to and including execution or permanent incarceration - so it is best to have evidence to back up your actions.
-Social conflict is a natural part of the Imperium, with religious conflict and discrimination against people hailing from specific social castes or perceived as having genetic aberrations being themes of the DuD setting, these conflicts exist to create depth for roleplay interactions and are heavily encouraged and something someone should be aware of before playing out game. The Imperium is not a nice place and most of the people within it are not, by our standards, nice people - the challenge of the Imperium is that ultimately monstrous personalities are normalised and common, especially amongst the servants of the Inquisition. The trouble is that with the multiplying threats to the Imperium, Inquisitors and their agents are forced to cooperate against the rising tide - even with those they hate and despise.
+Even without conflict being initiated by the actions of characters, Death Unto Darkness takes place in a world where the dark powers of Chaos can turn someone you thought was a friend into an enemy, or where sanity cracking can make a frothing murderer of the most kindhearted soul. There is a risk of any character being involved in violent PvP even if they are the most cooperative individual even if they are defending against it.
-=== Inter-Character Violence ===
+=== Reporting Crimes and Heresies ===
-Because we use a cinematic narrative system with a ‘death spiral’ mechanic, our combat rules do not translate well when players come up against each other as the cinematic nature begins to break down. Thus, we decided to introduce specific rulings regarding violence between players.
-* Where '''Player Characters''' are attacking other '''Player Characters''' then it is always assumed that when you hit 0 Endurance you become '''Subdued''' rather than '''<span style="color:red">Bleeding</span>'''.
+Sometimes you lack the ability to enforce your will when you notice wrongdoing - in such a circumstance where you believe that a character is up to no good you may pass on information to Inquisitorial Authorities (the Game Team) who will react appropriately to the news based on presented evidence. This may result in punishment during the downtime between events or some kind of uptime consequence if it is thematically appropriate to the event to have an immediate Inquisitorial response.
+Violence against Abhumans, Psykers and Inhuman Characters
+The Imperium is a vile prejudiced place and even amongst the highest ranks of the Servants of the Inquisition those prejudices remain strong - although it is already noted on the pages associated with them - playing characters like this is embracing the clear and present danger of being treated constantly, often without justification, as a risk to a mission by other characters.
-* You may indicate to a Player Character you are in conflict with that you wish for conflict to be lethal by using the cue '''Come on, do your worst''' becoming '''<span style="color:red">Bleeding</span>''' if they reduce you to 0 Endurance. However they may still use '''I'm taking you in, alive''' to reduce you to '''Subdued''' instead.
+The most obvious example of this is that most NPCs will turn a blind eye if a character shot a Psyker because it began to experience strange warp effects because that is the accepted protocol for dealing with Psykers.
-* If you have '''Subdued''' another character you must process them via the '''Inquisitorial Representative''' as noted beneath. If a character has declared '''Come on, do your worst''' it is the discretion of the player that reduced them to zero endurance what to do to them, this can include executing them or placing them in a lethal situation before they finish bleeding out.
+To this end we’ll caution here again that you should be -certain- when playing a character like this that you are willing to accept this kind of treatment up to and including your death being justified by what you were, rather than any actual crime.
-* If you use '''Come on, do your worst''' and die as a result of players resolving to execute you or place you in a lethal situation (such as throwing out of an airlock) you may not use Fate (if you had any remaining).
-=== Reporting Crimes and Heresies ===
-'''It is not required to use violent force to apprehend another PC if you feel they are a threat to the mission or are acting against the interests of the Imperium''' - nobody is forced to use violence if they do not wish to - the Inquisition is -ever- eager to hear from its agents when they believe individuals to be a threat to their objectives and the Imperium. In a situation that you feel a character is acting against the Imperium or committing an act of heresy, you can bring evidence of wrongdoing to the '''Inquisitorial Representative''' (a game team NPC who acts as the voice of the Inquisitorial conclave, and who the Drones assist), either by finding them directly (if present) or sending a message via an '''Administratum Drone''' (one of the refs). Ultimately, we do not want lone characters to feel they cannot act against overwhelming odds and feel forced to go along with acts they do not agree with just because they lack the tools of violence to influence them.
-Depending on the strength of your evidence, the '''Inquisitorial Representative''' will make a judgement call, and, if necessary, issue an order for the PC to be '''detained''' - this order may be given to NPCs or PC Agents, depending on the resources available at the time IC.
+=== OOC Welfare of Players ===
-If an order is disobeyed or arrest resisted, serious consequences and escalating orders may occur.
-Once the accused is Detained, then the procedures above and beneath can be followed.
-=== Processing a Detainee ===
-'''If you detain another PC and do not intend to release them in short order (within a few minutes of detaining them and/or after resolving any ongoing emergency), you must immediately bring them to an Administratum Drone''' (one of the Refs) '''or, preferably, the Inquisitorial Representative''' (a game team NPC who acts as the voice of the Inquisitorial conclave, and who the Drones assist). When they do so, PCs will be expected to provide IC justification for their detention of a fellow acolyte of the Inquisition.
-'''The OOC reason for this rule is that bringing a captured captive to the team in this way is intended to prevent indefinite imprisonment taking players out of play for hours.'''
+While we are choosing to make the risks of PvP violence very clear above we appreciate that there can be emotional reactions to having your character violently harmed by another player - we encourage players, where violence is not spontaneous, to try and have a ref or game team member present to ensure the welfare of the defeated party - and we are called on as soon as you can if it is spontaneous, if there is any welfare concern.
-The Inquisition has ''no'' sense of humour about missions becoming hampered as a result of Agents being detained by each other, and has provided a process to resolve such situations quickly so they do not become a burden on the smooth operation of the mission.
-Therefore, if this action is stalled beyond a reasonable time (ie. the captor had ample opportunity to come find the Rep\Drones but didn’t), the Detained PC is more than justified to drop OOC and come find the game team to move this process along.
-The sole exception to this process is if it becomes or is obvious that the '''captive''' is daemonically (or supernaturally) possessed, either via the player roleplaying the character accordingly or appropriate character abilities revealing this - where daemonic possession occurs it is never subtle once the daemon is aware it has been discovered or has begun to directly control the flesh and mind of its host. At this point, you may proceed with an [[Exorcism]] without consulting a Drone or the Representative.
+Where you want to take another character captive rather than killing them, please involve the Game Team to arbitrate a satisfying resolution for all players - being held in a room all weekend is not everyone’s cup of tea - and the game team can at least give a way for a captive character to exit so the player can choose to use a stand-in character or be able to adapt to accommodate that situation and ensure the player’s enjoyment of the event is at least better than their characters.
-==== Sentencing ====
+When role playing violent conflict between player characters, please be mindful of the OC experience of others. A character who constantly threatens other characters to win an argument would not be promoted to the level of the characters in this game, who are expected to be capable of functioning at a higher and more independent level than the usual Imperial first-reflex of violence. This is an IC gloss on an OC request to make sure physically smaller, quieter and less aggressive players are not forced out of some game areas by volume or physical intimidation.
-After a PC is brought before the Drones or Representative this will initiate the following IC procedure:
-# If you are unable to justify (via evidence) your detention of a fellow agent, you will be told to release them immediately; failure to comply will be met with sanctions. If you can point to damage which the detained Agent has done (or was clearly about to do) to the mission team and its objectives, you can be reasonably confident of support. If you have nothing to offer except vague suspicion, you should expect sanctions. <br><br>
-# If you do not have clear evidence, you may make your case for additional time to gather evidence via '''[[Interrogations|Interrogation]]''' of the subject; depending on the strength of your case, this may or may not be granted. If you can point to specific questions which demand answers (eg. “what were you discussing with that local we discovered sabotaging the shuttle?”) you will have better chances of getting permission than if you have no clear purpose in mind. <br><br>
-# Once evidence is presented, it will be passed along with the captive to the '''Inquisitorial Representative''' (if they aren’t involved already), who will sequester themselves with the captive, and, as mouthpiece of the Conclave, will either consult via astropathic relay or follow established procedures for passing judgement on the accused (this will be used to check in with the captive’s player OOC to ensure no sentences are imposed which the player in question will not enjoy roleplaying out). <br><br>
-# Should the captive be returned to the Agents and not transferred to Inquisitorial custody, a sentence will be passed, and sanction delivered by an Agent chosen by the Representative to carry it out. <br><br>
-# '''Execution''' is only ever sanctioned in the most extreme circumstances, as it diminishes the available personnel to a mission - in most circumstances, the fitting of compliance collars to ensure the individual completes their mission, mind-wiping or mind-control by available psykers, and other non-resource diminishing sentences are preferred. ('''However''', if a player wishes to retire their character and asks to be executed, they may go roll a new character immediately; their PC will be placed in detention by the Representative, and never seen again but any useful information they may have been concealing however will likely be extracted from them.) <br><br>
-# Regardless of outcome, details of the incident will be reported to the Inquisitorial Patron(s) of the detained character as well as of the character(s) who detained them, to take into account in later debriefing.